Career coaches for clients?
A friend who’s a career coach was telling me how she’s been run off her feet in the past year as victims of the recession’s redundancies come to her for advice about what to do next. As well as helping sacked senior managers get better work life balance and follow their dreams, she’s also an executive coach for people in work, helping improve performance. It must be worth it for the businesses that send their executives to these kinds of coaches, because they aren’t cheap. I would imagine that improved emotional intelligence might mean better staff management and lower turnover, or improved confidence might mean, say, more sales.
It got me thinking that a similar service could be really helpful for claimants as part of the support package to get them back into work. Low self confidence and motivation are well known issues and lots of providers work hard to tackle them. But this kind of career coaching goes one step further than an advisor’s warm words of encouragement to a newly recruited, previously long term unemployed person. It is a totally personalised approach and goes deep to identify and discuss the beliefs a person holds about themselves, their unspoken – very possibly unconscious – fears and presents constructive challenges to their perspective on the world and how it affects their behaviour and relationship to it.
And with an increase in self knowledge, plus some strategies to deal with those tricky ‘trigger’ situations, comes greater resilience; and with resilience, I would argue, comes greater likelihood that the client will choose the right job and stay in it.
Resilience is the ability to roll with the punches, to take setbacks on the chin, to not throw in the towel and fall at the first hurdle. Building resilience is important because great personal change – like moving from not working to working – can be hard, not only for the person undergoing the change, but it has an impact on the relationships that person has. A colleague at a small third sector provider told me a story about how the children of a client were really disconcerted by the disruption to the previous home routine when their mother moved into work and they started playing up, which only increased the mum’s stress at the same time as taking on the new challenge of work. Building resilience to manage the kinds of personal dilemmas when returning to work is vital to successfully sustaining employment.
This is crucial because job sustainability has, rightly, been a focus in the industry for some time. The new contracting systems are recognising this by increasing the length of time a client must be in work before providers are paid.
So would it be cost effective for providers to include regular access to this kind of coaching to claimants, so they could feel the fear and be offered a helping hand to do it anyway?
Are there providers out there that are already offering this kind of coaching or counselling?
And – most importantly – is it working and does it work better than other interventions?






Hi There
I agree entirley with what you say, I am an IAG adviser but also a qualified coach, i work on a welfare to work contract but as far as i know i am the only qualifed coach i know of! unfortunalty many of my collegues do not have my level of training or experince. often working there way up interanally from being an ex client. Also the salleries we get paid do not match the level of skill required in a coach, there are many limitations i have to work within. I don't think the people who write the contracts at grovernment levle or contract providers really understand what coaching is and how much it helps this client group. i have used coaching tools and techniques on may of my clients to great sucess! i think it is working for my clients i have noticed a difference since i have started useing coachins as well as IAG. thr problem is the amout of clients and time i have doesn't allow me to work in this way with all clients which is a real shame
i think it is the way foward i just people who write the contracts and bid for them would understand this as well.
any further info let me know
yes absolutely - being a coach is highly skilled. You've definitely got to be very sensitive and good at challenging clients (in a good way). That seems to me to beg the question of who is a "coach" and what a "good" one looks like.
I know time for 1-2-1 personalised work is a constant challenge for lots of providers. You say you've noticed the difference coaching has made so maybe it will be the interest of the primes to offer this kind of thing in a way that protects quality - ie, with more time/ lower case loads?
Honestly guys what planet are you two living on? Haven't you seen recent unemployment figures? In an ideal world all advisers working in the W2W sector would love to have lower case loads, time to spend with their clients being supportive and sensitive but it is not possible in today's industry. Maybe the two of you should get together and set up your own business and bid for new contracts aimed at professionals who now find themselves attending the jobcentre with working class masses.
Just for the record I for one would not want to attend a training provider wherever it is Lrobbo is working as he seems to be having trouble with the basics of the English language. Not really conducive to instilling confidence in clients who are looking for help in completing application forms, writing their CV's, cover letters etc.
Well what is on offer currently doesn’t work for everyone, moving people through a prescriptive set of interventions is not helping many clients that have been on new deal, programme centre and now FND they just go around in circles within the system. So trying a more supportive approach with less clients and actually looking at peoples personal belief systems and reasons behind there job search activity can have more of a positive effect. I think it is a lack of self awareness of skills is a barrier for most clients, improving self- awareness is essential to improve confidence and broaden horizons, something coaching is excellent for. I would happily start a new business and try this approach. It is the the way that contracts are set up that makes them about targets and outcomes .
Thank your for your feedback, my employer is aware of the fact I have dyslexia and that hundreds of clients I have worked with I have had 100% positive feedback, not being able to spell dose not stop me being helpful and providing excellent support to my clients many of whom are now working, so I must be doing somthing right, even though i cant spell!
The principles of career coaching and techniques around assessing EQi, SQi can be applied and delivered on a large scale and it doesn't have to be expensive. It does build a greater self-awareness and will empower customers to confidently take more responsibility of their journey and gain an outcome that will be more 'sustainable'. A realistic but optimistic 'art of the possible' will always be better than sheep dipping customers through a boiler plate approach based on years of unsophisticated experience. Do what you have always done and you will get what you have always got...
Increased volumes and increased performance target needs new thinking.
'The art of the possible'....it's seems that a lot of W2W advisers sound like David Brent from The Office. Anyway, they don't seem to suffer from modesty in any way either....'I'm good at what I do'...'I know I make a difference'....'I work really hard every day for my clients'..zzzzzz.
If people want career coaching they should pay for it, I don't see why another useless low grade service should be paid for from government funds. I realize that there are good career coaches but they cost money if there any good. I've consulted a retired friend who always gives me good advice on career change, etc. It's a pity our society does not tap into the wisdom of older people.
'Politics is the art of the possible' is actually a quotation from Otto van Bismarck. A little different from David Brent.
I would also argue that society does tap into the wisdom of older people. Society is in fact totally dominated by people between 50 and 65. It's the younger folk who are going to be utterly, utterly screwed by the system. We should be consulting them more, frankly.
Polly - thanks for the robust comments ;) but I don't agree that times are too tough and the dole queues too long to offer these kinds of deeply personalised approaches.
How many times have you sat in conferences hearing presenters earnestly saying that personalisation is key? Dozens I bet. If this is the recognised best approach, when are we going to actually offer actually personalised service? I thought that was the point of FND - to let providers get creative and free them up to use the best methods out there.
Horstlast is right, it doesn't have to be prohibitively expensive, but it is more expensive than the standard model. I also thought the point of giving these big contracts to private organisations under FND was so they could get finance to invest to save, precisely so they could do these more pricey options that pay off in the longer term.
Oh, and I definitely don't agree with your insinuation that coaching is only for middle class professionals and not the working class 'masses'.
Interesting comments from everyone. As someone involved in designing and developing new W2W services - and yes, Lrobbo, in bidding too - I think it'd be very interesting to compare the success of qualified career coaches in getting our hard to reach customers back into sustainable employment with that of Advisers who "do not have my training or experience". After all, we're in an outcome-driven industry these days.
This discussion is puzzling to me, it seems as everyone is seeing only part of the picture. The following things seem clear:
What is described as career coaching etc is what the best programmes for disadvantaged groups do anyway - they probably use other terms for it however.
The well-off can pay for it; while the funding of the average welfare-to-work programme does not allow it (or much of it) for the average claimant.
This kind of support is important for giving the most disadvantaged groups the opportunity to get into and sustain work; which is an especially important objective in a recession when they have even less chances of employment in a tough competitive environment.
There is therefore an important question about how to secure sufficient funding to enable programmes which do provide high quality long-term support to the most disadvantaged groups to survive and grow.
In addition it is probably the case that workers on these and similar programmes could benefit from appropriate training in the relevant skills. It's my impression that often they learn them on the job, if at all, rather than in a structured way.
Why don't we have W2W Providers delivering local authority projects: cleaning, catering, outreach, childcare, construction, admin services.
Rather than Local authorities contracting out services to private companies, W2W Providers should take control of these contracts and offer opportunities to local residents who are attending their employment programmes - great way to regenerate local communities, great access to local jobs, perfect way to monitor performance and deliver quality, cost effective services!
What do you think?
[Moderator says: I think this comment is out of place in this thread. However, Philip has raised a very good topic. I think it deserves a separate discussion.]
In response to Phillip that is just what we do up here in Argyll. The employability Team is an integral part of Argyll and Bute Council and delivers its services to the long term unemployed in just the manner he describes. But we also offer a wage option to our customers as a way of providing an insight to life without benefit. We do not use them but provide active employment for the time they are with us on New DEal. It will be different under Flexi New Deal as the customer will not have the chance to access work as they will not have to attend for any real length of time. This sad. We also provide work through our own workshops manufacturing, training on our own premises and of course the normal work placement opportunities. We believe an all round service provision for our customers.
RayMcIntosh Walley - this is the way to go, I work for my local authority in the Homeless & Housing Advice Services - delivering an Employment Project. I find it wrong to see that Local Authorities are spending huge amounts of money to private sectors for Cleaning, Decorating and Catering services where they leave all the recruitment down to these corporate monsters who don't see the purpose of recruiting local residents to deliver these services. Local authorities should make it a contractual obligation for contractors to recruit a significant number of their new staff from local community projects delivered within the area.