Do Jobcentre and provider staff mix?

by Daniel on 22 Apr, 2008 in

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Jobcentre Plus, welfare-to-work providers, and various support organisations all rely on advisers to help customers move towards work. But oddly, it's rare for advisers or other staff to cross the boundary between the public and private sector.

Why is this? Are JCP and providers like chalk and cheese, or is it just unjustified fear of change?

by Serafina on 22 Apr, 2008

I think of myself as a civil servant rather than an adviser, and that job does't make sense in the private sector. Having said that, the 5-7 year contracts and TUPE make providers a more stable proposition than they used to be.

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by Holmwood on 22 Apr, 2008

I suspect the civil service terms and conditions, pension etc. act as a disincentive, plus providers operate in a more commercial and demanding environment. Having said that, staff turnover is equally high in both JCP offices and provider delivery, about a quarter to a third of staff head out the door every year. Also, provider advisers get paid between Â£20K and Â£28K, whereas many JCP advisers are on the edge of the poverty line! Would be interested to hear how DWP / JCP people see it though. Are they looking forward to transferring?

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by Jo on 22 Apr, 2008

I've been with the same provider for many years now, even before TUPE came in. If you're good, they'll usually try and find a way to keep you, in my experience.

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by noora on 23 Apr, 2008

Charities are the missing link! We get a fair mix of people coming in from both public and private sector.

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by Daniel on 29 Apr, 2008

Contributions from JCP staff indicate that they're not welcoming the prospect of TUPEing to providers with open arms.

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by Daniel on 29 Apr, 2008

There's an interesting question with welfare reform around just how different the private and third sector prime contractors will eventually end up. Both will face strong commercial imperatives, and the end result might be that the traditional 'niceness' of charity environments has to change. I've already heard an incredible story about one major third sector welfare-to-work provider who really ought to know better when interviewing people with disabilities.

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by Daniel on 29 Apr, 2008

I don't thin this discussion's exhausted yet, but I am. So, it's staying up another week. What do you think the differences are between government, private and charity?

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